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In These Last Days


2 Peter 3:3-7
First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. They will say, "Where is this 'coming' he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation." But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water. By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.

Matthew 24:37
As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.


The scoffers and mockers are here. The days are evil, just like in Noah's time.
How much time could we have left?

There are those who deny the Biblical Flood, even though evidence points to it. There is sedimentary rock and fossils of seashells on mountaintops on every continent. Skeptics often point to a similar "flood myth" in all different civilizations. Well, duh! Ya think it might be because it was the same worldwide Flood!?



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The scoffers and mockers are here. The days are evil, just like in Noah's time.
How much time could we have left?




couldn't be much longer, i dont see how anyway

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We were discussing this in my Sunday School class a couple weeks ago.

Nobody hit me or anything...but there is ZERO reference to babies/children being taken in the Rapture. None, zero, zip...regardless of what Left Behind wants you to think.

That being said, what hope is there of Christ's return if my children are going to be left here to live out the tribulation?

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There are those who argue against a pre-trib rapture as well. emoticon

Anyway, nothing says your children don't go with you, either.
The Bible does mention entire households being baptized. It would seem that children might go with you, but I don't see anything real clear on it one way or the other.

We'll have to trust that our Creator knows what He's doing.



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I believe all children will also be cought up in the rapture, "I think" it says somewhere in the Bible that a child is saved till he/she reaches the age of 13, by then they should know and trust in JESUS and make that commitment, now as I said -- "I think" this it what it teaches. emoticon
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So, here's another question regarding these last days. Check out this verse:

Matt 24:40
Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.


Who do you think is taken and who is left? Here are a couple of commentaries I found at the BlueLetterBible.org
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Chuck Smith Commentary
Now, again two divergent interpretations. One says: they are taken away to judgment, and those who are taken away are the unfortunate ones because they are taken away for judgment. And those that are left are the fortunate ones. The other is that this is a reference to the rapture of the church. Those that are taken away are blessed, and those that remain stay for the judgment. And there are arguments on both sides. Whichever fits your scheme.

He's not committing one way or the other.
David Guzik takes a stand and says it's the good, as in the rapture.
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David Guzik Commentary
a. Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left: Jesus here points to curious disappearances; to a catching away of some at the coming of the Son of Man (as also described in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17).


Matthew Henry holds to a similar view.
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Matthew Henry Commentary
Here it is applied to them who shall be found alive. Christ will come unlooked for, will find people busy at their usual occupations, in the field, at the mill; and then, according as they are vessels of mercy prepared for glory, or vessels of wrath prepared for ruin, accordingly it will be with them; the one taken to meet the Lord and his angels in the air, to be for ever with him and them; the other left to the devil and his angels, who, when Christ has gathered out his own, will sweep up the residue.


But, John MacArthur says that the wicked are taken away (to judgment), and the good are left behind. That might change a whole lot in the Left Behind series, wouldn't it?

Another good indepth commentary on this issue can be found at CARM.
Here is just a short piece of it, but I would suggest going to the link and reading the whole thing, if you're interested in this partticular study.
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Of related interest is a passage in Matt. 13:24-30 where Jesus gives the parable of the sower who sows good seed in his field and someone sows tares. The servants asked if they should go immediately and gather up the wheat. But, in verse 30, Jesus says, "Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn."

The point worth noting here is that the first ones gathered are the weeds, not the wheat. This is most interesting since Jesus explains the parable in Matt. 13:36-43 and states that they will be cast into the furnace.

Additionally, when we turn to Luke 17:1, which is the parallel passage of Matt. 24, we discover that the disciples ask Jesus a question in response to Jesus’ statement that "two will be in the field and one will be taken." In verse 37 they ask, "Where, Lord?" they asked. He [Jesus] replied, "Where there is a dead body, there the vultures will gather."

They are taken to a place of death.

Interesting, I was wondering how the dead body and vultures worked into it. That would seem to make sense.

There's a lot of info out there for each view.
If it is the wicked that are taken, how does that work with a pretribulation rapture view? It would almost seem to be contradictory. Although, Dr MacArthur holds to the pretrib view and that Matt 24:40 is referring to taking the wicked first.
Any ideas on how these two points are reconciled?

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Reading this has made me so confused emoticon i'm not understanding what is being said, forgive me for not understanding, Question-- will there be a rapture ? or are we to be left here on earth ? or am I reading this all wrong ? in other word's---------HELP !!!
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Hey Angelgirl, where ya been? Nice to see you out here again. emoticon

I don't know about this one, it's not doctrinal, but it is a confusing issue. There most definately is a rapture, the question is when will it be? There are three main views, pretrib, midtrib or posttrib, depending on where it falls in regards to the 7 year Great Tribulation. Most lean towards the pretrib view - before the Great Tribulation begins.

I just found this passage interesting, and thought it might make a good discussion. I didn't mean to confuse anyone, this end times stuff is rough to comprehend. I was interested in a little clarification myself!

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Thank you so very much for your quick reply !! whew !! thank goodness, I count on the rapture very much, I wish for it sooner then later, but that is in God's hand's of when the time is right.

I have been working and not on the computer much, I miss reading here and posting, but time isnt on my side, I am just so glad that it's here for me to read when I can, you have no idea how much I love God's word even though I don't understand all of it.

Have a great evening and God Bless !! emoticon
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you have no idea how much I love God's word even though I don't understand all of it.

Amen! There's much we can understand, and the rest we study, learn and trust in the Lord!
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