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God bless the Indiana Law makers!!!


How on God's green earth is exercising our American right to freedom of religion be twisted into such a perverted lie as hate?! That's insane!

What's next? Discrimination against those who choose not to participate in the making of "congratulatory greeting cards" for the newly aborted child?!!
After all, a woman has the right to abort, kill her child but I'm sure it would be thought of as discrimination to refuse the service of cards to the woman who killed her child.
Sounds pretty crazy to even make such a statement. It's even crazier to kill an unborn child.

It's also unbelievable to force one to go against a religious belief to serve a need such as cookies or cakes.

God have mercy and I also pray for our nation to understand the difference between discrimination and rights.

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I've wondered if the selling of cookies or cakes to anyone should really cause a condemnation in our conscience. Does the Bible tell us we can't sell cookies or cakes to sinners?
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Does the Bible tell us we can't sell cookies or cakes to sinners?

Does that mean you haven't read the instruction manual? I suppose you don't even look at the map when your lost. emoticon ((hug))
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2 Corinthians 6:14-17: “Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? And what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? Or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?


Either we believe what the gospels says even though it doesn't mention cookies, or we don't.
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Let's take the bakery where a lesbian group wanted cookies made for a lesbian group activity.

If a gay person came into a bakery and wanted to buy... anything, they should be served and NOT discriminated against. Preparing treats for a group or groups of gay activity is a type of support for that group, an agreement of sorts. If it doesn't go against the conscience, then an agreement is met.

I'm sure a Christian family bakery wouldn't bake a cake with offensive body parts for a bachelor or bachelorette party either. It's not a discrimination issue, it's a "I really don't feel right baking and decorating a cake with body parts like that, it offends me" kind-a thing.

Most Christians live under conviction and let their conscience-Holy Spirit be the guide of decision making according to the gospel, a religious belief.
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My uncle is gay. I love him dearly. If him and I walked in a bakery and ordered whatever and they discriminated against him for being gay, especially since no one said he was, I would be very angry. However, if we walked in the bakery to order a wedding cake for his wedding to a man and they declined because of their religious belief, we would understand and go where they will bake whatever our heart desires.

To expect someone to compromise their integrity to suit a need that is not life threatening is the ultimate discrimination.
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If you want a dirty magazine, you don't go to a family book store and demand that magazine! After all, you are a deviant and you have rights as a deviant to buy what you want where you want, then rant discrimination!
When the family book store denies your request because, they just don't do that. So the deviant goes to court to make sure the laws are changed so they will be forced to do that, When all would be well if the deviant just went to the side of the tracks where they sell whatever the heart desires.
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These last days Christians are more worldly. More a part of the way the world works and lives. We are called to be separate not carnal.
We should be asking ourselves how much of an influence is the world having on us and how much of an influence are we having on the world.

Some people will do anything for a dime and Christians are becoming more that way. With the exception of those who are willing to take a stand.
If we don't stand on our belief, we will fall into the hands of the God of this world.
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Surely we should know what we believe before we act. And surely we should be confident of our Lord to help us in these times which try our very soul.
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Galatians 5:10 I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be.
11 And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.
12 I would they were even cut off which trouble you.
13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
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Romans 12:20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.
21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.



My take on this...

The ones who trouble us have to bear the judgement of God. So our stand must come from the leadership of the Spirit of God and not from our own desires.

So then, in my mind, the question becomes how do I follow the law of God when dealing with others in public? Whatever I do must be consistent with what Jesus has asked me to do or it is wrong. Do I deny service to just one group, such as the LBGT community while serving those who are drunk? That is not consistent with Jesus' teaching or example. I must pray, I must do what I can to show the Love of God to all people at all times. It isn't easy and it isn't something that can be legislated by man reliably. I applaud the law makers effort but like everything else man does, it falls short of the Glory of God.

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Romans 12:20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.
 


Praise God! But that's not what is going on here. Those who are demanding to be served against your belief are not hungry to be fed. They are demanding others to comply with a demand.
It's gays discriminating against those of us being pressured to serve against our conscience, whatever the service is.

Not all Christians live under conviction, a shame for sure but some just don't. If it doesn't bother them to serve then there's no complaint is there? If it goes against one's conscience to be forced to serve then there is a problem and very well should be.
It's not a "discrimination" issue, it's a "rights" issue.

This is America. There use to be a time when forcing someone to go against their religious belief was incomprehensible.

Can't say it enough, God bless those who take a stand for the gospel of Christ, even if it means they may lose some income or popularity.

The church has become too much like the world. So much so it's hard to tell the difference between a believer and a non believer.
God have mercy on us.




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I know what you are saying and like you I pray for America to be more like the America my dad fought for. That America is the dream, the city on the hill, and the shining beacon of hope. It is what this present generation has turned away from, just as most have turned away from God himself! They hide behind nice sounding names and pervert simple definitions of words to make it sound good to the ear but in the end they wish to do that which is right in their own eyes and not what is right in the eyes of God.

The question becomes what is our response to such activity? We know the devil won't stop in his manipulations until he is cast into the lake of fire. We know all have sinned and live in the flesh alone and apart from God unless and until they turn to Jesus and are reborn as a child of God. We also know what Jesus said in Matthew:
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Matthew 5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also.
41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.



We have the right to the free exercise of our faith and religion and that is what is being attacked. It would be wonderful if it were not so, if we could go back but God is allowing us to go through this time instead. I do not know why but one thing I am certain of, Jesus gave the example of how to act in the love of God towards this worlds ways. We can choose to rebel and act like the world or we can go beyond that and act as children of God.

The lawmakers are doing what they can and we pray for them. Jesus says we need to pray for those that are creating the problems as well. More than that, he tells us to take those people that are abusing us the extra mile in our journey. How do we do that in this instance is my prayer and question...

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Preparing treats for a group or groups of gay activity is a type of support for that group, an agreement of sorts. . .

I'm sure a Christian family bakery wouldn't bake a cake with offensive body parts for a bachelor or bachelorette party either. . .

 If you want a dirty magazine, you don't go to a family book store and demand that magazine!


Winkks, I can't quite understand how you can compare a request for simple treats to a request for a body part cake or a pornographic magazine. How are they the same? If you owned a bakery and found out someone was buying treats for a poker night, would you refuse to sell the treats? I suppose you might tell them that you would not make cookies shaped like playing cards, but if they were just buying regular cookies, would you feel you are supporting their gambling night or agreeing with it by selling the cookies? Would you refuse to sell a birthday cake if you found out that the birthday celebration was going to be held at a bar or if you found out the birthday boy was an atheist?

Does "Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers" actually mean that you cannot sell anything at all to unbelievers without supporting their sinfulness? It doesn't seem that Christians would be able to make a living at business if they could only sell to other believers.

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Here's an interesting article I found, particularly this paragraph:
Christians, our Jesus said to not only follow the law, but to rise to a higher standard of love. Christians should be the FIRST people baking cakes — for everyone who asks us. We should be known for our cake baking. People should be saying, “There go those crazy Christians again, baking cakes for everyone. They just won’t quit!” Then, when we share the reason for our wild, all-inclusive love, people will want to hear it. “Let your light shine before others,” said Jesus, “that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.
 
Click on the link to read the full article
http://tenthousandplaces.org/2015/04/01/bake-for-them-two/
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I found this after missing the radio show that mentioned it. This topic got me looking on the Internet and found the original story.

A Proposed Sane Solution

I am still thinking about this myself...

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