Jesus wants the rose Here's an interesting video, though I think the speaker blames "the church" for something that is more the fault of an individual pastor than it is the fault of "the church." Still, I have heard the rose illustration in my own church experience, and I never thought of how it might be interpreted by an unsaved person.
Re: Jesus wants the rose I never heard the rose illustration before! I agree he didn't present the pastor in a good light but I did like his own finish on the rose.