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Hi there.

I'm new here on Runboard. I'm a born again Christian but I love the sun and to be very honest - I love to walk around naked in my garden because it is very private. My one neighbour will probably see something but she is a German lady in her 60's and she will not bother us about this. I will not walk like this in front of my children (they're married) because I believe their partners will not be very comfortable. The partners also grew up very conservative. I myself as well as my wife grew up in very conservative communities where my father as well as her father was the leading pastors.

At the moment I'm a "closet" case because nobody know about this. My wife is very shy but nevertheless went topless to a beach on a few occasions. There were no other people and we just enjoyed the sun and nature. Afterwards she admitted that she really enjoyed the sun.

We also went to a beautiful private bushveld farm which is reserved for naturists. We've never been in a group and we're not really interested in looking for groups. We've met one couple during this weekend and it was a normal conversation as if we were dressed. I must add that my wife is not very comfortable because she is a total introvert but afterwards said that it was not an embarassment and that she was okay with this whole "nudity" thing.

By the way, we are from South Africa which have the benefit of lots of sunshine and beautiful weather.

Any comments will be appreciated. May the Lord bless you.
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Welcome to the forum. Feel free to look around and respond to other posts, even if they are really old.

I'm not sure I would see much wrong with nudism if it is just you and your wife in a private area. I don't think I would go to a naturalist farm, though, and talk to other people while I didn't have any clothes on.

Adam and Eve started out without any clothes, but then when sin came into the world, God clothed them. Even when we get to heaven, the Bible says we will be wearing robes. I don't see any Scriptural support for getting together with other people while naked.
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I don't think there's anything wrong with being nude while you're alone or with your wife, like Bookworm I personally would shy away from groups. Even if you totally just enjoy being natural, there's nothing saying that's the way others feel too. I wouldn't say that being naked in a group is inherently sinful, but I'd put it in the same context as drinking or anything else... That it'd be better for you to not take the chance.
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I don't think there's anything wrong with being nude while you're alone or with your wife, like Bookworm I personally would shy away from groups. Even if you totally just enjoy being natural, there's nothing saying that's the way others feel too.

Are you saying that if everyone else in the group is okay with nudity, then the group nudity would be okay? That it is only bad if other people around you might feel uncomfprtable? After all, if you go to a nudist camp, you can be pretty sure that the other people would be okay with nudity.

 
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I wouldn't say that being naked in a group is inherently sinful, but I'd put it in the same context as drinking or anything else... That it'd be better for you to not take the chance.

I used to believe that just taking a drink was inherently sinful, but I have since come to understand that the Bible condemns drunkenness, not just taking one drink. Yet I understand those you don't want to take any drinks at all so that they are not taking any chances. It seems to me, though, that group nudity would be disobeying God's commands to be modest. Some people can overdo this and say that if a woman is wearing pants instead of a dress, she is being immodest. I don't go to that extreme, but I do think that if a woman is in a group without pants or a dress or anything else on, she is definitely breaking the commands about modesty, and that would be inherently sinful.

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I don't think there's anything wrong with being nude while you're alone or with your wife, like Bookworm I personally would shy away from groups. Even if you totally just enjoy being natural, there's nothing saying that's the way others feel too.



Are you saying that if everyone else in the group is okay with nudity, then the group nudity would be okay? That it is only bad if other people around you might feel uncomfprtable? After all, if you go to a nudist camp, you can be pretty sure that the other people would be okay with nudity.



I definitely think it's a slippery slope, but I don't think there is anything inherently evil or sinful about it. There are some cultures where women are generally topless and it's nothing special to the men. Is that culture sinning simply because the women don't cover up? At one point in America's history (actually for a long time), it was considered unmodest if a man saw a woman's ankle, yet today even modest Christian women find such things silly. The point I'm making is that it is conceivable that a group of people can be naked together and it's not a sin. I couldn't do it, and to the best of my knowledge I don't know anyone who could, but I suppose that is for each person to decide.

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I wouldn't say that being naked in a group is inherently sinful, but I'd put it in the same context as drinking or anything else... That it'd be better for you to not take the chance.



I used to believe that just taking a drink was inherently sinful, but I have since come to understand that the Bible condemns drunkenness, not just taking one drink. Yet I understand those you don't want to take any drinks at all so that they are not taking any chances. It seems to me, though, that group nudity would be disobeying God's commands to be modest.



Like I said, I think that depends upon your culture, but for most of the world I would tend to agree with you.

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Some people can overdo this and say that if a woman is wearing pants instead of a dress, she is being immodest. I don't go to that extreme, but I do think that if a woman is in a group without pants or a dress or anything else on, she is definitely breaking the commands about modesty, and that would be inherently sinful.



I really don't want to condone group nudity here, but I have to say that I believe there are people out there who are just that way and it really is nothing to them to be naked. For that matter, a conservative Christian could say that it would be immoral for a man to become a gynecologist, but I think that's a little unfounded. There are tons of things to consider on this matter though, there's the do not create a stumbling block for your brother, all things are lawful but not expedient etc. My viewpoint in a nutshell is that it might be possible for some people to do and not sin but I wouldn't advocate a Christian doing it.

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  There are some cultures where women are generally topless and it's nothing special to the men. Is that culture sinning simply because the women don't cover up?

If a particular culture had a pattern of consisitently getting drunk, would that culture be sinning if they got drunk? I think they would. Cultural elements can be sinful if they do not conform to God's standards.

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 emoticon I was not born into naturism. I was brought up in a very open-minded and accepting household, and as a kid I was often given the chance to skinny dip in our neighbors' pools. At about age 5 or 6, I would find myself having "deep" conversations with my friends about why we even had to wear clothes since it felt so great to just be naked, but I never questioned an adult about it. Then at age 12 my parents bought me my first computer and I wandered upon some naturists sites. Being a horny little 12 year old, I fell into the immediate thought of nudity = sex. After looking through a few sites and reading the stories, I realized that nudity did not always equal sex, and that there were indeed others out there like me who enjoyed being clothes free, without the arousal. At age 14, I discovered that was a resort about an hour away from where I lived, and I was determined to get there. At that point, I proclaimed myself a naturist...but in the closet about it. After sending the resort a few e-mails, they replied and said I had to be 18 or accompanied by a guardian. Disappointed, I spent the next four years of my life sporadically skinny dipping in lakes and pools around the area. And then I finally turned 18, and summer was beginning. I called the local resort and told them I was coming. I drove there, signed in, and spent the entire day nude with a bunch of friendly naturists. I went swimming, hiking, spent some time in the hot tub, and then socialized for a little while. I had finally become a naturist Last December and met many good friends on naturistspace.org, it's a cool place to meet some new & pure naturist friends...
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  There are some cultures where women are generally topless and it's nothing special to the men. Is that culture sinning simply because the women don't cover up?

If a particular culture had a pattern of consistently getting drunk, would that culture be sinning if they got drunk? I think they would. Cultural elements can be sinful if they do not conform to God's standards.



I wouldn't consider that comparing apples to apples Bookworm. If you had said that a certain culture had customs that involved drinking, is that sinful, then I think you'd have a leg to stand on... In that case though, I would say that as long as they can control their drinking then I wouldn't label it sinful. I don't think God gives us cultural directives. I don't greet my brothers with a friendly kiss, I don't make my wife cover her face in Church and the reason is because I don't think the Bible is telling me to adopt the middle eastern culture of 2000+ years ago, but rather to take those examples given and apply them to my current culture. That culture that has women constantly topless could conceivably view a woman covering her head as a sign of her being a prostitute, would you as a missionary tell them that their women should cover their heads in Church and cause them all that cultural discord? I would think that would distract them from what they were supposed to be focused on.

 I guess the point I'm getting at is that just like some people can't just have one beer & go on without feeling the need to have a bunch more, some people can't be naked without wanting, even in some small way, to go farther. That doesn't mean that having a beer itself is sinful, or that being naked in itself is sinful. Sorry, people saying acts are sinful instead of realizing that the sin is in the person is one of my pet peeves. Still, my opinion as a Christian is that it's possible for this to not be sinful but I wouldn't really advise it.

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 emoticon I was not born into naturism. I was brought up in a very open-minded and accepting household, . . .

Hi Sarababe. Thanks for joining the forum. We like having different people giving their opinions.

If I was the owner of this forum, I'm not sure I would want a naturalist site recommended on my forum, but hey, I'm not the owner.

From your experiences at the resort, do you ever get the impression that some people may be coming primarily to be "ogling" rather than enjoying their own personal "clothes-freedom"?


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Good day,
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Please have a look at my blog and comment.
http://naturisminsouthafrica.blogspot.com/2014/05/naturisminsouthafrica.html
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