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I'm glad you brought up I John 2:3. It says "Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments." My whole point has been that there are more commandments in the New Testament than just the ones to verbally share the gospel.

I agree, good works are, well, good. Do them, and proclaim the Gospel while you do. What about the other verses I mentioned?
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We are not even given the indication that verbally sharing the gospel is the most important command.

The last words our Lord Jesus Christ spoke as He ascended to heaven is known as the Great Commission. He commanded all believers to share the Gospel, to preach the Word to all nations. Could it be any more clear?
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Sure, giving out the gospel is important. I'm not diminishing that one command when I say that a person can fulfill other commands while not giving out the gospel at the exact same time.

The Gospel contains the way of eternal life, what could possibly be more important to a person than where they will spend eternity?
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Sure, in a generic, as-the-world-sees-it, way they are good, but not as God sees it. Do you really think that Mormons and humanists do works that are good in God's eyes?

Yes, of course I do! Are Christians the only ones who help out widows and orphans? Tell me, what’s the difference between an atheist feeding the homeless and a Christian doing it, if the homeless person doesn’t know what either of them believe? The Words of eternal life being spoken to that person is the only difference.
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As I mentioned before, those missionaries would be remiss if Christ wasn't mentioned at all. But they WERE part of an openly Christian organization, so people knew they were doing their works because of their faith in Christ. As I mentioned from Matthew, they were letting their light shine.

Ok, I don’t know what these particular missionaries did or said. I kind of got distracted by the comment Pepper made, and that’s what got me posting in this thread. You are correct that they were part of an openly Christian organization, but that is not enough. I know many so called “Christian” organizations that are far from the beliefs of the Bible (not knowing anything about this specific organization one way or the other).
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I don't see any contradiction, and I'm not sure how you are assuming that there might be one. The good works can definitely include the verbal sharing of the gospel. I'm just saying that there are MORE good works than verbally sharing the gospel, and that those other good works can have an impact on the life of an unbeliever.

How could they if one refuses to share the Gospel verbally? An atheistic humanist can do good works which can impact the life of an unbeliever. How does that give the unbeliever any hope in eternity? Mark 16:15 says to speak it – it’s a command.
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So are you saying that there actually ARE people that you do not give the gospel to right away, but wait until later?

Maybe never. I won’t give it to one who is openly mocking our Lord. I’ll plant the seed, giving them the Law and the knowledge of the need for a Savior and see where it goes from there.
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But how do you know if they are humbled? Are you God that you can see into their hearts? The arrogance of this kind of attitude is, frankly, astounding to me.

Really? I don’t need to see into their hearts, their behavior betrays them. Where in the Bible does it say, “you can’t judge a book by it’s cover”? it doesn’t. But Jesus does say that you will know them by their fruits. You can tell a lot about a person by simply talking to them, you should try it once. You’d be surprised how many people are willing to talk about eternal matters and are not offended, even when they disagree with you.
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Does God really ask us to wait until we somehow see signs of humbleness before we continue with the rest of the gospel message?

That’s what Jesus did, every time. Did He chase the rich young ruler down when he walked away sad? No, He let him go. Jesus didn’t run after him and say, “Wait, I’m going to die for you! Please come back and let Me in your heart!” No, that’s not what happened at all. The young man placed riches before God, Jesus gave him the Law, going through a few of the Commandments, and when the man obviously lied and said he had kept all of those since his youth, Jesus confronted him with giving up all in order to follow Him. The young ruler walked away and Jesus let him go.
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God calls on us simply to present the message, the whole message of the gospel, and God will deal with the person's heart in God's own time.

But didn’t you say that you can just do some good works without saying anything? Is that the whole message of the Gospel?
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But you seem to be advocating that we "forget about" God's love until we see that the person is somehow "humbled.' So your way doesn't really have them working together in the way God intends.

If I am misunderstanding “casting pearls before swine”, then please explain it to me.
Usually in a conversation with someone, they are humbled as they are taken through God’s Law and shown how they’ve broken it. It’s actually rare when a person is so hard-hearted that they mock it. How would you deal with that person? From what I’m understanding so far, it would seem that you wouldn’t have spoken to them in the first place.
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As I said before, some people may simply prepare the ground for other people to then verbally speak the gospel. I can be a valid witness to God's working in my own life without verbally giving out the gospel.

You can not! Give me an example. If you don’t TELL them, they don’t know if you’re a Christian, a Mormon, or a humanist. I don’t understand how this works.
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We are all part of the Body of Christ and we all have roles to accomplish in reaching others.

Sure, we’re all part of the Body, and the Body is reaching to the lost. We are ALL commanded to witness, no excuses.
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After all, the Great Commission is about more than simply standing on a street corner and interupting strangers, hoping they'll listen to you for a few minutes and say a prayer.

Not everyone will stand on a street corner, you can talk to people in line at the grocery store, at the bank, in a restaurant, anywhere you come in contact with other people. I would not recommend a “sinner’s prayer” because you will not find that anywhere in the Bible, and we do not do that.
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It also involves getting people baptised and getting them established in Bible preaching churches so they can learn to observe all things that Christ has commanded us. To fulfill the Great Commission as Christ commanded, there needs to be a relationship built up with the person who is witnessed to.

Where does the Bible say that? What about Philip and the Ethiopian eunuch? If God starts a good work in a person He will finish it. You see, it’s not about me and you, or how many people we think we’ve saved or brought to Christ, or enrolled in the church. It’s about God and Him alone, He alone converts a person and if He chooses to use us, then what an honor! And maybe He will grant me a relationship and discipling a person, but maybe He’ll use someone else. I’ve just got to be obedient.
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Now, some people are better at some parts of the process than others. Some people are better at the initial presentation, whether it is on the street or elsewhere. Others are better at the instructions in baptism, and others are instrumental in teaching the new convert the commands of Christ. No matter WHAT part of the process we have, we are involved in fulfilling the Great Commission. So I see the people who prepare the soil as being just as obedient as those who give out the Bible verbally.

Everyone is commanded to share their faith, and we do that verbally.
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If they are truly a Christian, they are sharing, or expressing, their faith in Christ.

How? By the things that they say? That would be sharing their faith verbally.
Here’s an interesting quote I heard:
“Jesus said; Follow Me and I’ll make you fishers of men. If you’re not fishing, you’re not following.”
-LeeRoy Beatty
Makes sense to me.
 
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And how long was it that they waited. It shouldn't take that long to develop the kind of relationship I'm talking about. It's not like the two people have to be best friends with each other before the gospel can be presented. God will bring the opportunites to us in ordinary conversation and we just need to be willing to take them.

Well, it happened to my sister twice. Once was an ex-boyfriend, so that made it a little more difficult, as he was then dating a friend of hers. She felt that she should talk to him, but put it off because of the uncomfortable situation. He was welding on a demolition derby car and the gas tank exploded. The other was her next door neighbor. They would wave to one another but never really talked. He was older and died suddenly while out in the yard gardening.
The other person is a friend of mine who does share his faith often. He felt that he needed to talk to his brother in law, but put it off for a couple of days. Then he heard that he had died.
So, how much time are you saying it takes to develop a relationship? I’ll tell you that it takes no time at all. For example, “Hey, how are you doing?”
“Fine”
“Did you get one of these? It’s a Gospel tract.”
“Thanks.”
“Do you have a Christian background?” or “Do you know of a good church around here?” or “Hey, what do you think happens to a person after they die?”
You’ve established a relationship and started talking about spiritual things in a few minutes.



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I'm glad you brought up I John 2:3. It says "Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments." My whole point has been that there are more commandments in the New Testament than just the ones to verbally share the gospel.

I agree, good works are, well, good. Do them, and proclaim the Gospel while you do. What about the other verses I mentioned?

I didn't mention the other verses because I agree that those verses contain commands that a Christian should follow.

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We are not even given the indication that verbally sharing the gospel is the most important command.

The last words our Lord Jesus Christ spoke as He ascended to heaven is known as the Great Commission. He commanded all believers to share the Gospel, to preach the Word to all nations. Could it be any more clear?

It is clear that Christ commanded witnessing and baptizing and discipling in the Great Commission. All three were included, but I'm not sure that just the witnessing part was the most important command.

  
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Sure, giving out the gospel is important. I'm not diminishing that one command when I say that a person can fulfill other commands while not giving out the gospel at the exact same time.

The Gospel contains the way of eternal life, what could possibly be more important to a person than where they will spend eternity?

Well, If I am going to place any sort of ranking among commands, I would certainly put worshipping God right there at the top. Christ Himself did that as well. When he was asked what the greastest commandment was, he said it was to Love God with all one's heart. The second was like unto it, to love one's neighbor. I would put witnessing in the second catagory, that of loving one's neighbor. I want to see those around me come to Christ, but I wouldn't claim that witnessing is more important than loving God. As I said before, my sense is that all the commands are equally important, and this really is a minor disagreement between the two of us, since we both agree that witnessing verbally should be done.
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Where in the Bible does it say, “you can’t judge a book by it’s cover”? it doesn’t. But Jesus does say that you will know them by their fruits. You can tell a lot about a person by simply talking to them, you should try it once.

You are right that you can tell a lot about a person by talking to them. That has been my whole point. You find out about other people and they find out about you, and a relationship develops. And yes, a relationship can develop even wityhin the context of one conversation, as you mentioned in your last paragraph, but realtionships usually take longer than just one conversation. And the Bible does tell us not to really judge the book by the cover. Man looks on the outward appearance but God (and only God) looks on the heart.

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It is clear that Christ commanded witnessing and baptizing and discipling in the Great Commission. All three were included, but I'm not sure that just the witnessing part was the most important command.


Would you baptize or disciple a non believer? First things first.
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Well, If I am going to place any sort of ranking among commands, I would certainly put worshipping God right there at the top. Christ Himself did that as well. When he was asked what the greastest commandment was, he said it was to Love God with all one's heart. The second was like unto it, to love one's neighbor.


I'm glad you quoted the answer in it's entirety. When asked which is the greatest command (singular), Jesus gave two, saying that the second was like it. Wouldn't this suggest the same level of importance?
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I would put witnessing in the second catagory, that of loving one's neighbor.


I would not. Is it not God's will that none perish, but that all would come to repentance?

The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
-2 Peter 3:9


Does God rejoice in the death of anyone?

For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign Lord. Repent and live!
-Ezekiel 18:32

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I want to see those around me come to Christ, but I wouldn't claim that witnessing is more important than loving God.


In light of the two verses above, I just don't see how you can separate the two.
If He wants all to come to repentance, takes no pleasure in the death of anyone, has commanded us to preach the Good News (Acts 10:42), and asks why we would call Him Lord and not do what He says (Luke 6:46), how can we miss the priority here?

Jesus also tells us that the harvest is plenty, but the workers are few and that we should ask for more workers (Luke 10:2). I ask for more workers, and that other believers would not hinder or offer excuses for those who might consider taking on this difficult task in obedience to our Lord.
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As I said before, my sense is that all the commands are equally important, and this really is a minor disagreement between the two of us, since we both agree that witnessing verbally should be done.


 I agree, I don't think we're too far off in our beliefs. However, I believe that evangelism is of first importance in Christianity, per the reasons and Scripture provided previously.
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And the Bible does tell us not to really judge the book by the cover.


Hmm, I don't think it does. Jesus says you'll know them by their fruits. Maybe we're not books with covers, we're trees with fruits, so how do you determine what sort of fruit a tree has? You look at it and use your discernment. We are to judge:

Stop judging by mere appearances, and make a right judgment.
-John 7:24

Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.
-Eph 5:11

Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good.
-Rom 12:9

Test everything. Hold on to the good.
-1 Thess 5:21

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Man looks on the outward appearance but God (and only God) looks on the heart.


Of course, we cannot judge where a person who has died has gone to spend eternity. We don't know if they may have truly repented and trusted in Jesus Christ alone in their final minutes, or if one who seemed to be saved was nothing more than a false convert. That's not where we judge - but we certainly can, and should, make a right judgment and warn people who are alive about the judgment to come and proclaim the good news of the Gospel, without casting pearls before swine. You'd be surprised at how few "swine" there really are out there, who are unwilling to engage in a discussion about the things of God.

But "friendship evangelism" is not Biblical. Witness to your friends and relatives, but don't wait to become buddies with someone before witnessing to them. Strangers are only someone else's friends, family and lost loved ones.


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It is clear that Christ commanded witnessing and baptizing and discipling in the Great Commission. All three were included, but I'm not sure that just the witnessing part was the most important command.


Would you baptize or disciple a non believer? First things first.

And second things second and third things third. It seems to me that you are suggesting that one should just witness and leave the baptising and discipling undone, hoping someone else is called to do it. The Great Commission is not being obeyed if only the first part is being done.


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Well, If I am going to place any sort of ranking among commands, I would certainly put worshipping God right there at the top. Christ Himself did that as well. When he was asked what the greastest commandment was, he said it was to Love God with all one's heart. The second was like unto it, to love one's neighbor.


I'm glad you quoted the answer in it's entirety. When asked which is the greatest command (singular), Jesus gave two, saying that the second was like it. Wouldn't this suggest the same level of importance?

That's exactly what it would suggest. Both parts have the same level of importance. ALL commands are imoprtant for us to follow, which is why I have difficulty in seeing why any of them should be ranked as first in priority. Some may come first in time, but that doesn't make them first in importance. They ALL are important.

 
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I would put witnessing in the second catagory, that of loving one's neighbor.


I would not. Is it not God's will that none perish, but that all would come to repentance?

The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
-2 Peter 3:9


Does God rejoice in the death of anyone?

For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign Lord. Repent and live!
-Ezekiel 18:32

How do these verses show that witnessing is not in the loving one's neighbor catagory?


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I want to see those around me come to Christ, but I wouldn't claim that witnessing is more important than loving God.


In light of the two verses above, I just don't see how you can separate the two.
If He wants all to come to repentance, takes no pleasure in the death of anyone, has commanded us to preach the Good News (Acts 10:42), and asks why we would call Him Lord and not do what He says (Luke 6:46), how can we miss the priority here?

I'm not trying to separate the two. I'm not trying to separate any of God's commands into "more important" and "less important" catagories. That's why I am missing the priority. It is because I am putting them all into a high priority catagory.

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Jesus also tells us that the harvest is plenty, but the workers are few and that we should ask for more workers (Luke 10:2). I ask for more workers, and that other believers would not hinder or offer excuses for those who might consider taking on this difficult task in obedience to our Lord.

Would you consider me to be "offering excuses" if I say that a person can be discipling a believer during one day and finding a new soul to reach on another day? That is almost what it sounds like you are saying. What about the time we spend reading the Bible? Are we just making excuses for not witnessing if we think personal Bible reading is important?
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Would you consider me to be "offering excuses" if I say that a person can be discipling a believer during one day and finding a new soul to reach on another day? That is almost what it sounds like you are saying. What about the time we spend reading the Bible? Are we just making excuses for not witnessing if we think personal Bible reading is important?

Did I say that we can do nothing but evangelize? No, I said keep doing your good works, but witness as well. Not 24/7, but it should definitely be a priority. Too many people are afraid, don't feel that they have to or think that their pastors or missionaries are doing it, and often times they're not. But ALL Christians are commanded to. How often will be between you and God.

I guess the main thing I disagree with is this:
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I don't think that verbally is the only way possible. Perhaps we need to make the distinction between giving out the gospel and sharing one's faith. Giving out the gospel is done verbally, but sharing one's faith can take many forms. Matthew 5:16 says, " Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven." This tells me that I can let my light shine simply by doing good works, and that the sight of those good works will have an affect on other people.

Doing good works without verbally expressing the Gospel isn't good enough - a Mormon or a humanist could do the same, we've already been over that.

And this one:
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Yes, I actually can wait until the person knows me well enough to actually take the time to listen to me and consider what I have to say. If I try to explain the gospel to someone who doesn't know me and doesn't care about what I have to say, then what good is that? It's just words blown in their face. If I care about people and build relationships with them, then the opportunites for witness will come, and the people will be willing to listen and consider. I don't have to rush things due to some fear of imminent death.

"Friendship evangelism" is a cop out. You can talk to anyone, any time, anywhere, if you are equipped to do so. And we should be.

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Fishermen do not keep catching the same fish over and over again.... they catch one...and then go for another... they do not beat that same fish over the head with the tacklebox for days and weeks after....

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Fishermen do not keep catching the same fish over and over again.... they catch one...and then go for another... they do not beat that same fish over the head with the tacklebox for days and weeks after....

And how do you fish? You put the bait on the hook and throw it in the water and let the fish nibble at it until the fish bites. Then you reel it in. You don't cut the line and give up just because the fish struggles. No, you let out some line and reel some in and let some out and reel some in until the fish is in the boat. Plos, it also helps to know a bit about the fish in the lake before you even put the bait on the hook. Sure, you could potentially use the same fishing technique for every single fish that exists, but that wouldn't be the most effective way to fish.

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Here's what I got from the end of a sermon by John MacArthur - The Parable of Soils. You can listen to or read the entire thing at his website, gty.org under sermon archives.

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There is no discussion about the sower, anyone can do that. Nothing is said about the seed, it's the Word of God - the Gospel.

The soil is the issue. God prepares the soil, we are just to cast seeds and when it lands on soil that God has prepared, it will grow.

 It is not the skill of the sower, but the state of the soil. The more seed you throw, the more likely you are to hit some good soil. That's what we're here to do. To praise God? No, we will do that rightly in heaven. The only thing we can do here that we cannot do there is throw seed.

I just thought that particular sermon fit into our discussion here.

I found this comment of yours interesting.
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Sure, you could potentially use the same fishing technique for every single fish that exists, but that wouldn't be the most effective way to fish.

Do you believe that we need to change the Message, depending on who we're talking to?

God's Word doesn't change, and Paul said that if anyone preaches another gospel, they are to be accursed. Do you have to change? I say no. The Biblical principle found in the Way Of The Master is the same no matter who you're talking to. If you could go back in time and find yourself in one of the twin towers with a captive audience on 09-10-01, would you be able to preach the same message or would you have a different one for that group of people?
I've heard this same Gospel given to a 9 year old child and to top executives in a business on the same day - same message.

It can be given to a homeless person on the street, a successful businessman, young or old, rich or poor without change.
It's the Gospel - take them through some of the Ten Commandments to show that they've broken them - the Law is a schoolmaster to lead us to Christ. When they understand their guilt before God, and that they will face His just wrath on judgment day, then give them the Good News that God so loved them that He provided a way to keep them out of the punishment that they deserve, while still remaining just. He paid the fine for us by coming down in human flesh and living a perfect life, then suffering and dying on the cross. He requires of us to repent of our sins, turning away from them, forsaking them, and then trusting in Jesus Christ alone for our salvation. Good works will follow out of gratitude, not as a requirement of salvation.

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Here's what I got from the end of a sermon by John MacArthur - The Parable of Soils. You can listen to or read the entire thing at his website, gty.org under sermon archives.

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There is no discussion about the sower, anyone can do that. Nothing is said about the seed, it's the Word of God - the Gospel.

The soil is the issue. God prepares the soil, we are just to cast seeds and when it lands on soil that God has prepared, it will grow.

 It is not the skill of the sower, but the state of the soil. The more seed you throw, the more likely you are to hit some good soil. That's what we're here to do. To praise God? No, we will do that rightly in heaven. The only thing we can do here that we cannot do there is throw seed.

I just thought that particular sermon fit into our discussion here.

Yeah, it fits. My comment regards the way in which God works to prepare the soil. How does God do His work in this world today? Does He send down his angels to do any work He wants done? Sure, He could, but I don't think that is His primary way of working in the world. Christians are the Body of Christ. We are His hands and feet, so to speak, in the world. God uses Christians to do his work, whether it is evangelizing or any other ministry God may want done. So yes, God prepares the soil, but often He uses us Christians as means around which that preparation is accomplished.

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I found this comment of yours interesting.
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Sure, you could potentially use the same fishing technique for every single fish that exists, but that wouldn't be the most effective way to fish.

Do you believe that we need to change the Message, depending on who we're talking to?

God's Word doesn't change, and Paul said that if anyone preaches another gospel, they are to be accursed. Do you have to change? I say no.

Of course the Message doesn't change. If you look at what I said, you will notice that I didn't say the message would change. I said the fishing technique might change from fish to fish. That didn't refer to the message but to the technique used to present that same message from person to person. Paul himself tells us that his technique for presenting the gospel differed from person to person. The gospel didn't change, but the way he presented himself to different individuals did change. I Corinthians 9:19-23 says:
19 For though I am free from all men, I have made myself a servant to all, that I might win the more; 20 and to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews; to those who are under the law, as under the law, that I might win those who are under the law; 21 to those who are without law, as without law (not being without law toward God, but under law toward Christ), that I might win those who are without law; 22 to the weak I became as weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some. 23 Now this I do for the gospel’s sake, that I may be partaker of it with you.

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