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Wonder if there was enough evidence to convict him. Think about it.

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Contrary to what that panel said, I did hear someone shouting at the Muslim festival, on the video, "Jesus is Lord! Jesus is the only way! You can't take our religious freedom from us!"

Maybe they didn't start shouting Christian slogans until after some of them were arrested? Or maybe that was someone who was not part of their group?

I did find another video of this, somewhat better, and though the four have something to complain about, it looks as though they may have gone to the event with the two video cameras looking to get themselves embroiled in something. It rather looks that way anyway. Another point is that they persisted in their action until the police got involved. They had a lot of opportunities to just walk away, but didn't. It is somewhat disingenuous then to claim that they were arrested for just being Christian.

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It is an embarrassing fact that Christians can be the most obnoxious people on earth. It is a shame to us and to the church for such to be the case.
We, called to love, show hate far too much!

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Dr. Michael Youssef :

Every freedom-loving person should be extremely alarmed at the dreadful trend of silencing Christians from the streets of London to the streets of Dearborn, Michigan. In both places, Christians were arrested and imprisoned for preaching the gospel on public streets...in what Muslims considered to be Islamic territories.
 
When four young Christian men were recently arrested and imprisoned in Dearborn, Michigan, for witnessing to their faith at an Islamic festival, it was hailed as a victory in some Islamic circles -- sharia law has come to America.
 
Never mind the First Amendment...this is the beginning of its demise by overwhelming Islamic ideology that is hell-bent on silencing Christians and Jews from speaking of their faith.
 
In Arab countries where Christians make up a sizeable minority, Christians are not allowed to speak of their faith outside of the church walls. Now it is happening in America's heartland.
 
The silencing, humiliation, and reduction of Christians and Jews to second class citizens is as old as Islam itself. This Islamic doctrine is known as the "Dhimmis". It was articulated and implemented by "Omar," the second successor of their prophet Mohammad. He articulated this doctrine when he invaded Christian lands in an effort to subjugate Christian residents who were captured by the sword.
 
This is the third wave of Jihad. The first wave was in the middle 600s. The second wave was by the Turks in the 1700s. In this third wave, Muslims believe they can advance by taking advantage of Western ignorance of their ideology coupled with Western sympathies and a penchant for fairness.
 
To add insult to injury, the Counsel of Islamic Nations is pushing hard in the United Nations to implement an international law that would outlaw the preaching of the gospel anywhere in the world. As if this is not chilling enough, the Dearborn incident is now considered to be a good omen for Islamic take over.
 
Unless freedom-loving people wake up now, their children will wake up to discover that they are living under sharia law.


Dr. Michael Youssef founded The Church of The Apostles in 1987 in Atlanta. Now the church home to more than 3,000, it became the launching pad for his international radio ministry "Leading the Way." His blog entries and thoughts on God and culture and on political Islam are now available online. This column is printed with permission.


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Now Garycg, as you didn't address any of my observations in the above post, all I can do is respond to Youssef's letter, which I presume is speaking for you.

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Dr. Michael Youssef :

Every freedom-loving person should be extremely alarmed at the dreadful trend of silencing Christians from the streets of London to the streets of Dearborn, Michigan. In both places, Christians were arrested and imprisoned for preaching the gospel on public streets...in what Muslims considered to be Islamic territories.


This is a ridiculous statement. Muslims don't consider Dearborn, Michigan, Muslim territory. Youssef does not address any particulars of the Dearborn incident to backup his claim. It seems to me he simply wants to make a statement and is using Dearborn as a platform from which to launch his own agenda.
 
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When four young Christian men were recently arrested and imprisoned in Dearborn, Michigan, for witnessing to their faith at an Islamic festival, it was hailed as a victory in some Islamic circles -- sharia law has come to America.


Youssef got his facts wrong. Four men were not arrested. It was three men and one young woman. In other words he knows nothing about what happened there, but is simply using the incident as a platform from which to launch his own diatribe.

This is not an example of Sharia law. Frankly, I have seen atheist camera crews hustled off Christian premises by Christian security in two separate videos, and with a lot more force. This festival was simply the wrong setting to attempt Christian missionary work. Anyone who was clear thinking would know that an incident would ensue if a small group of individuals, with strongly opposed views, showed up with video cameras to confront those of opposing views.

I am arguing that they took two cameras with them because they intended to quietly start an incident and get it all recorded. From what I saw they deliberately escalated the situation, probably hoping to cause an incident. As I said earlier, when they were being arrested there is on the video another man shouting Christian slogans at the Muslim festival. I am not surprised the police picked them up for creating a disturbance.

They were not arrested for simply being Christian. They were arrested for creating a disturbance. I am assuming there may have been other Christians there, not part of this group. If so, why was it only this group that got pick up?

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... it was hailed as a victory in some Islamic circles....


This is an inflammatory statement. When claims like this are made they have to be backed up. Could you, Garycg, direct me to any Muslim statement like this that was made as a direct result of the arrest of these four Christians? Can you show me that Youssef didn't just make this up?

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Never mind the First Amendment...this is the beginning of its demise by overwhelming Islamic ideology that is hell-bent on silencing Christians and Jews from speaking of their faith.


My own experience is that I have been muzzled and silenced a number of times. The offending party, in my case, were very conservative Christians; people just like the four here who were concerned that they were not allowed to spread the Christian message. Some Christians do their own share of silencing, and I would argue that if they had real political power they would do a lot more silencing.

As I said above, I have seen atheist camera crews hustled off by Christian security in two separate videos. Once it was Dawkins making a documentary video who asked some too sensitive questions, and the other was a separate atheist group, who like the four Christians above, just showed up at a Christian gathering and began poking around and shoving their camera in peoples faces and asking questions. Muslims are not the only ones who seem not to appreciate someone with a camera, and an agenda, disturbing their serenity.



PS. Just for record I would like to see many Muslims converted to Christianity. I've heard other atheists say this as well. I just don't think this is the way to go about it.
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It is an embarrassing fact that Christians can be the most obnoxious people on earth. It is a shame to us and to the church for such to be the case.
We, called to love, show hate far too much!


Just for the record, I acknowledge that many atheists can be pretty darn obnoxious as well. The very first forum I ever joined was an atheist site. It had only a small number of regulars but too many of them were obnoxious and rude. It wasn't my cup of tea, so I left. I found my way, after that, to a small Christian forum of similar size which is where Bookworm and I met. Every group has its share of hard nosed individuals who, I think, would be better if they observed the Golden Rule in their dealings with others. Maybe exceptions should be made, but I would need that explained to me.

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This is a ridiculous statement. Muslims don't consider Dearborn, Michigan, Muslim territory.



From Wikipedia:

1945 A mosque existed in Dearborn, Michigan, home to the largest Arab-American population in the U.S.

Mosques are usually explicitly Sunni or Shia. There are 1,209 mosques in the United States and the nation's largest mosque, the Islamic Center of America, is in Dearborn, Michigan. It was rebuilt in 2005 to accommodate over 3,000 people for the increasing Muslim population in the region.

Muslim population (2000) Michigan 80,515 6th largest by state

You dont research?

As far as the article , i ran across it reading something else, do i agree with him ..yes.

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This is a ridiculous statement. Muslims don't consider Dearborn, Michigan, Muslim territory.



From Wikipedia:

1945 A mosque existed in Dearborn, Michigan, home to the largest Arab-American population in the U.S.

Mosques are usually explicitly Sunni or Shia. There are 1,209 mosques in the United States and the nation's largest mosque, the Islamic Center of America, is in Dearborn, Michigan. It was rebuilt in 2005 to accommodate over 3,000 people for the increasing Muslim population in the region.

Muslim population (2000) Michigan 80,515 6th largest by state

You dont research?

As far as the article , i ran across it reading something else, do i agree with him ..yes.


Alright, so they have a big Mosque. How does that make Dearborn, Michigan Muslim territory? They are still subject to the laws of the United States. Dearborn is not in Saudi Arabia. At one time Kitchener, Ontario had a large German population relative to the other inhabitants. That didn't make Kitchener German territory. Newfoundland is inhabited almost entirely by people of English descent. Newfoundland is not British territory. You see what I mean? The claim sounds like fear mongering.

Now I grant you there is a difference, and I don't want to make too light of your concern, but I think calling Dearborn Muslim territory is a bit extreme a view at the moment. A lot depends on the future and how things unfold. A fellow I know was told by one Muslim that that the Muslim population would swell until Canada became an Islamic state.

Working against that scenario is the growing secularization of Muslims in Canada. Such people won't want to live in a Muslim state anymore than the rest of us. When my father was a boy in Ontario, in the 1920s and early 1930s, Catholic kids went down one side of the street to school and Protestant kids went down the other; and they threw rocks at each other. Now mixed marriages are common and hardly anyone gives it a second thought. In a few more years mixed marriages between secular Christians and secular Muslims may become common. Time will tell.

What I do know is that the Muslim girls I am familiar with, who are in public school and high school, and live in my area, seem totally Western. I'd say secularization of this group is well underway.
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How does that make Dearborn, Michigan Muslim territory?



You read what i read , and you still say that? emoticon..... o.k.

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